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#1 Just Keep Pedaling

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Posted 27 January 2011 - 10:24

Like any other classified, the Hub is frequented by both scammers and also genuine buyers/sellers.

There is no 100% fool proof way to spot a scammer but using the following points as a guideline will get you 95% of the way there. Each of the following will increase the risk that the other person is a Scammer:

1. The likely have only a few posts on the Hub.

2. Read some of their posts - they are only related to buying and selling and not to ‘cycling in general’.

3. They can be a buyer or a seller.

4. They will use something to lure you in. If you see an ad that gets your blood rushing – alarm bells must go off. They like to advertise stuff that is ‘unused’ because I accidentally bought a R50 000 bike that was the wrong size.

5. There are no photos of the goods provided or the photo's have been pulled off the web - i.e. do a Google search for 'Scott Scale' and if the same picture comes up then he is a scammer. If you don’t trust the photo ask for a follow up one e.g. ask for a close up photo of the drive chain.

6. Scammers are not that interested in the condition of what you are selling or how much in how much it costs.

7. Scammers will use a different name each time so asking in the Forums if 'Gary from Bruma' is a scammer will not help you.

8. Scammers prefer not to answer their cell phone. They prefer to SMS you back.

9. Scammer's email address will be web based. Gary69MTb@gmail.com and not a company domain e.g. MikeK@knowncompanyx.co.za.

10. Scammers use prepaid phones. They will not have an older 082 or 083 number as they are always changing phones. (As some have pointed out this is not a very good indicator). Better yet ask if they have a land line at work you can call them on.

11. Scammers will not meet you in person in a safe place. (And for this reason they won’t list their location on their profile so they can claim to be in another province).

12. Scammers don't pay cash - they claim they will make a deposit or do an EFT. They then deposit a stolen cheque and fax you a forged deposit slip (the wonders of Tipex and a fax machine - Nick Leesen defrauded Bearings Bank of $6 billion using this technique). You need your bank to confirm (in writing) that the money is indeed cash deposited or an EFT transfer. (As some pointed out, this is not foolproof but it is the best method after cash).

13. Never, ever, ever, ever accept a cheque or a bank guaranteed cheque or cash cheque – in fact – if the word cheque is mentioned – make an excuse to have no further dealings.

14. Scammers try and make you perform first - i.e. you must pay first or deliver first - even though you have better references etc. They will normally try and do this near the end of the deal through putting some kind of pressure on you (e.g. threatening to call of the deal).

15. Scammers can be other sorts of criminals too - so inviting them to your house to view is only recommended if they 'fit the profile'.

16. Scammers are experts at feeding you bull. If the details and the deal keep changing get suspicious.

17. Scammers can produce references – they normally open a few accounts on the forum. None of references will have many posts etc.

18. If something (like the price) looks too good to be true - it is BECAUSE IT IS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE!

19. The police will not get you your stuff/money back. Scammers are professionals – they do this all day every day. Think how good you are at your job – that is how good they are not getting caught.

20. Scammers laugh their ass off every time they get someone – so please don't be a sucker.

Edited by Just Keep Pedaling, 27 January 2011 - 03:31 .


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Posted 27 January 2011 - 10:28

add to above, if the price looks too good to be true, its porbably is.
beware of EFTs, some of our friends have contacts working at the bank, after everythings been confirmed through, the contact transfer the money out of your account. Cash rules.

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Posted 27 January 2011 - 10:31

Added. Thanks cervelo.

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Posted 27 January 2011 - 10:35

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Posted 27 January 2011 - 10:36

"beware of EFTs, some of our friends have contacts working at the bank, after everythings been confirmed through, the contact transfer the money out of your account. Cash rules. "

My brother in law sold two Jet Ski's and the bank confirmed it was an EFT. Turns out the funds were a stolen cheque after all. They bank only paid him half. Consider yourself warned.

Cash can be risky too - especially if you are selling a bike for R50 000. They can have their coworker follow you and you can find yourself facing a loaded gun in the bank's parking lot.

So ultimatly there is no fool proof payment method but if all 15 points above check out I reckon you are 99% safe.

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Posted 27 January 2011 - 10:47

Judging by that list I must be a strong contender for being a scammer: :blink:
  • I only have 50 odd posts;
  • My email address is web based due to working in Africa;
  • I can't meet anyone (whether safe or not because I'm not there);
  • I have an 072 cell number; and
  • I prefer to do EFT's (or my wife has to do for me - again I am sitting in deepest darkest Africa


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Posted 27 January 2011 - 10:52

"Judging by that list I must be a strong contender for being a scammer:"

I wouldn't say 'strong contender' - but you are riskier than someone who passes those five points. Better to falsely think someone is a scammer than to fail to identify one.

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Posted 27 January 2011 - 10:56

I would say webmail domains and cellnumber prefix should never be the only deciding factors when profiling a scammer. Most companies have switched to webmail domains due to the increased security (ironic) and since I work in the mobile industry, cell number prefixes are no reflection on age of number ownership. Some networks even share a prefix.

But I would be bothered if someone was sending me Please Call Me's - thats a red flag.

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Posted 27 January 2011 - 10:58

 Trek Fan, on 27 January 2011 - 10:47 , said:

Judging by that list I must be a strong contender for being a scammer: :blink:
  • I only have 50 odd posts;
  • My email address is web based due to working in Africa;
  • I can't meet anyone (whether safe or not because I'm not there);
  • I have an 072 cell number; and
  • I prefer to do EFT's (or my wife has to do for me - again I am sitting in deepest darkest Africa

And having your location as Eritrea doesn't help things! :P

The mere fact that you responded here, already says something. Just keep surfing on the Hub - build up a rapport with people, and bend over backwards the first few times you sell or buy... Won't be long before you have a few 'Hub-references' you can rely on...

Of course - having just typed this, I now realise that it also wouldn't be that difficult for a dedicated scammer to 'build a relationship on the Hub', and then sink some poor soul with a biggie...

Bottom line - since you're legit - you'll be able to go to any lengths to prove to your fellow buyer/seller that you are in fact, above board... Scammers will surely not want to go through all that effort?

Or maybe I'm just naive? :unsure:
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Posted 27 January 2011 - 11:09

"Of course - having just typed this, I now realise that it also wouldn't be that difficult for a dedicated scammer to 'build a relationship on the Hub', and then sink some poor soul with a biggie..."

You are correct - it wouldn't be difficult - but they don't do it because there are enough suckers that they don't have to do it. Look at every phishing attempt or scam you have ever received and they are a rush job.

That being said they have to redo it every time they scam someone out of a R300 pair of sunglasses and it ends up being time consuming (I suspect they are relatively lazy people).

Edited by Just Keep Pedaling, 27 January 2011 - 11:10 .


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Posted 27 January 2011 - 11:11

" would say webmail domains and cellnumber prefix should never be the only deciding factors when profiling a scammer."

Correct. I would say these are some of the lowest ranking risk factors. Nevertheless, if you are scammed by someone who email address is (say) cbrunsdon@mtn.co.za I would be surprised.

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Posted 27 January 2011 - 11:55

Adding:

16. If the person says they are travelling - run! Scammers use this as an excuse to stall you from going to the police. i.e. they say they can't ship the goods now because they are in France on holiday for three weeks.

17. Just in case you thought otherwise, the police won't help you. They are busy with real crimes and you can probably give them nothing other than a fake name, fake address and cell phone number registered with fake RICA docuemnts. Common sense is your last line of defense.

Edited by Just Keep Pedaling, 27 January 2011 - 11:56 .


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Posted 27 January 2011 - 11:56

Mods: Any chance of a sticky?

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Posted 27 January 2011 - 12:10

I bought a fork from a person in another province with only 1 post. The product was in a better condition then what he described and he went out of his way to get get it to fellow JHB hubbers that happened to be in the same town at the time the transaction went down.
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Posted 27 January 2011 - 12:17

How did he fare on the other 16 points? Or are you just lucky?

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Posted 27 January 2011 - 12:18

 Just Keep Pedaling, on 27 January 2011 - 11:56 , said:

Mods: Any chance of a sticky?

Will see what we can do! ;)
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