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[bruce]

For everyones interest, here are the power stats from my power meter for the DC:

 

Race:
 Duration:   5:32:35
 Work:       4799 kJ
 TSS:        374 (intensity factor 0.821)
 Norm Power: 275
 VI:         1.14
 Distance:   201.582 km
  Min Max Avg
 Power:        0 782 241  watts
 Heart rate:   0 168 145  bpm
 Cadence:      1 125 80  rpm
 Speed:        0.6 80.9 36.4  kph
 Pace          0:44 100:00 1:39  min/km
 Crank Torque: 0 200.4 29.2  N-m

 

 First Hour:
 Duration:   59:55
 Work:       864 kJ
 TSS:        65 (intensity factor 0.807)
 Norm Power: 270
 VI:         1.12
 Distance:   41.731 km
  Min Max Avg
 Power:        0 782 240  watts
 Heart rate:   41 163 137  bpm
 Cadence:      1 110 85  rpm
 Speed:        1.1 55.1 41.8  kph
 Pace          1:05 54:33 1:26  min/km
 Crank Torque: 0 200.4 27.3  N-m

 

Second Hour:
 Duration:   59:55
 Work:       930 kJ
 TSS:        80.3 (intensity factor 0.897)
 Norm Power: 300
 VI:         1.16
 Distance:   35.751 km
  Min Max Avg
 Power:        0 759 259  watts
 Heart rate:   113 165 145  bpm
 Cadence:      1 112 79  rpm
 Speed:        16 62 35.8  kph
 Pace          0:58 3:45 1:41  min/km
 Crank Torque: 0 133.6 31.6  N-m

 

Third Hour:
 Duration:   1:00:12
 Work:       826 kJ
 TSS:        64 (intensity factor 0.799)
 Norm Power: 268
 VI:         1.17
 Distance:   34.698 km
  Min Max Avg
 Power:        0 541 229  watts
 Heart rate:   108 165 142  bpm
 Cadence:      1 118 79  rpm
 Speed:        10.2 65.7 34.6  kph
 Pace          0:55 5:53 1:44  min/km
 Crank Torque: 0 124.1 28.2  N-m

 

Fourth Hour:
 Duration:   1:00:12
 Work:       919 kJ
 TSS:        68.9 (intensity factor 0.829)
 Norm Power: 278
 VI:         1.09
 Distance:   31.832 km
  Min Max Avg
 Power:        0 758 254  watts
 Heart rate:   121 168 151  bpm
 Cadence:      1 114 79  rpm
 Speed:        8.6 63.8 31.7  kph
 Pace          0:56 6:59 1:53  min/km
 Crank Torque: 0 98.2 31.4  N-m

 

Fifth Hour:
 Duration:   59:28
 Work:       809 kJ
 TSS:        61.2 (intensity factor 0.786)
 Norm Power: 263
 VI:         1.16
 Distance:   33.358 km
  Min Max Avg
 Power:        0 583 227  watts
 Heart rate:   0 167 149  bpm
 Cadence:      2 125 77  rpm
 Speed:        0.6 80.9 33.7  kph
 Pace          0:44 100:00 1:47  min/km
 Crank Torque: 0 119.3 28.9  N-m

 

Last Half Hour:
 Duration:   33:27
 Work:       454 kJ
 TSS:        33.7 (intensity factor 0.778)
 Norm Power: 261
 VI:         1.15
 Distance:   24.426 km
  Min Max Avg
 Power:        0 588 226  watts
 Heart rate:   100 163 149  bpm
 Cadence:      3 115 84  rpm
 Speed:        5.7 64.3 43.8  kph
 Pace          0:56 10:32 1:22  min/km
 Crank Torque: 0 97.8 26.2  N-m

 

In total I drank 5 bottles of Octane, 1.5 Enervit Power Bars, and 5 energy gels.

[BikeMax]

And another one.. (sorry it's back to front)

Entire workout (193 watts):
    Duration:      6:05:35
    Work:          4221 kJ
    TSS:           371.8 (intensity factor 0.782)
    Norm Power:    219
    VI:            1.14
    Distance:      201.83 km
        Min    Max    Avg
    Power:           0    659    193     watts
    Heart rate:      53    244    122     bpm
    Cadence:         29    141    87     rpm
    Speed:           3.6    80.5    33.2     kph
    Pace             0:45    16:40    1:48     min/km
    Hub Torque:      0    36.6    8.5     lb-in
    Crank Torque:    0    100.6    21.5     N-m


 Sixth Hour:
    Duration:      1:00:11
    Work:          590 kJ
    TSS:           54.8 (intensity factor 0.74)
    Norm Power:    207
    VI:            1.27
    Distance:      41.542 km
        Min    Max    Avg
    Power:           0    597    163     watts
    Heart rate:      77    155    117     bpm
    Cadence:         29    141    88     rpm
    Speed:           3.8    80.5    41.5     kph
    Pace             0:45    15:47    1:27     min/km
    Hub Torque:      0    26.4    5.9     lb-in
    Crank Torque:    0    63.6    17.8     N-m

Fifth Hour:
    Duration:      1:00:02
    Work:          706 kJ
    TSS:           57.7 (intensity factor 0.759)
    Norm Power:    213
    VI:            1.09
    Distance:      27.889 km
        Min    Max    Avg
    Power:           0    486    196     watts
    Heart rate:      70    179    116     bpm
    Cadence:         35    141    83     rpm
    Speed:           9.6    66.7    27.9     kph
    Pace             0:54    6:15    2:09     min/km
    Hub Torque:      0    35.5    10.8     lb-in
    Crank Torque:    0    100.6    23.3     N-m

Fourth Hour:
    Duration:      1:00:01
    Work:          731 kJ
    TSS:           62.7 (intensity factor 0.792)
    Norm Power:    222
    VI:            1.09
    Distance:      29.342 km
        Min    Max    Avg
    Power:           0    498    203     watts
    Heart rate:      70    192    119     bpm
    Cadence:         33    141    86     rpm
    Speed:           11.5    66.7    29.4     kph
    Pace             0:54    5:13    2:03     min/km
    Hub Torque:      0    34.6    9.7     lb-in
    Crank Torque:    0    73.4    23.0     N-m

Third Hour:
    Duration:      1:00:01
    Work:          725 kJ
    TSS:           66.8 (intensity factor 0.818)
    Norm Power:    229
    VI:            1.14
    Distance:      30.144 km
        Min    Max    Avg
    Power:           0    659    202     watts
    Heart rate:      53    244    121     bpm
    Cadence:         35    141    86     rpm
    Speed:           3.9    64.4    30.2     kph
    Pace             0:56    15:23    1:59     min/km
    Hub Torque:      0    31.1    10.1     lb-in
    Crank Torque:    0    74.3    22.6     N-m

Second Hour:
    Duration:      1:00:01
    Work:          721 kJ
    TSS:           65.3 (intensity factor 0.809)
    Norm Power:    226
    VI:            1.13
    Distance:      32.733 km
        Min    Max    Avg
    Power:           0    612    201     watts
    Heart rate:      93    204    161     bpm
    Cadence:         34    141    89     rpm
    Speed:           3.8    56    32.8     kph
    Pace             1:04    15:47    1:50     min/km
    Hub Torque:      0    36.6    8.4     lb-in
    Crank Torque:    0    82.3    22.0     N-m

First Hour:
    Duration:      1:00:01
    Work:          742 kJ
    TSS:           61.1 (intensity factor 0.782)
    Norm Power:    219
    VI:            1.06
    Distance:      39.239 km
        Min    Max    Avg
    Power:           0    601    206     watts
    Heart rate:      n/a    n/a    n/a     bpm
    Cadence:         32    141    91     rpm
    Speed:           7.4    54.6    39.3     kph
    Pace             1:06    8:06    1:32     min/km
    Hub Torque:      0    30.2    6.5     lb-in
    Crank Torque:    0    82.8    21.8     N-m

[bruce]

Amazing - TSS almost exactly the same, but my IF = 0.82 and yours was 0.78 - come on BikeMax, did you really try as hard as you could

[Dr. Seuss]

i can see how a person can play all day long with these stats!

are there many variables involved in power stats,  or is it generally that if X & Y complete the same distance over the same time (all external factors such as temp & wind being equal) they have produced exactly the same average watts for the duration irrespective of factors such as their body weight or fitness level?

(BM - max HR for entire race seems a bit high - 244 bpm  - see there is also a 204 in the second hour?)

[bruce]

Generally they would have produced the same watts/kg - body mass has a huge effect especially when the road tilts upwards (just ask fattie).

 

When the road is flat the aerodynamic drag plays more of a part.  So, between BikeMax and myself, I would have to produce more watts to ride the same time as him due to me being heavier and taller.

[bruce]

Another interesting point is that BikeMax's distance and mine are almost identical.  My time is 5:32 and not 5:35 as per WinningTime, Bikemax was even harder done by - 6:05 whereas WinningTime gives 6:11!!

[BikeMax]

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i can see how a person can play all day long with these stats!

are there many variables involved in power stats,  or is it generally that if X & Y complete the same distance over the same time (all external factors such as temp & wind being equal) they have produced exactly the same average watts for the duration irrespective of factors such as their body weight or fitness level?

(BM - max HR for entire race seems a bit high - 244 bpm  - see there is also a 204 in the second hour?)

Ignore my HR - I had no strap on (must have picked up a team mates or some interference)

[bruce]

BikeMax is a power "Purist", HR straps are for sinners

[Thug]

Just comparing the overall picture and bear in mind that I've never used a PM before, so my laymans interpretation may be way off the mark.

- Bruce's max "crank torque" was virtually 100% more than BM's.
- Bruce's max power output was almost 19% more than BM, whilst the ave was almost 25%

Yet looking at cadence,

- BM's max cadence was 16% higher that Bruces, whilst the ave was slightly under 9%.

As a layman, what the above tell me was the Bruce was spinning less but in a bigger gear.

Correct or codswallop ?

[bruce]

The numbers won't lie, so I'd say you are correct.  I found myself still on the big ring 2/3 of the way up Tradouws.

[bruce]

Bikemax average watts/kg = 3.13

Bruce average watts/kg = 3.57

 

Hence I rode a faster time, but it shows you how much effort it takes to increase speed each km/h.

[Windbreaker]

And now for data from a cyclist in the bottom half ! Still pretty proud of the last hour though!

 

Entire workout (161 bpm):

Duration: 6:41:59

Work: 4341 kJ

TSS: 408.4 (intensity factor 0.781)

Norm Power: 211

VI: 1.17

Distance: 201.648 km

Min Max Avg

Power: 0 921 180 watts

Heart rate: 82 185 161 bpm

Cadence: 20 141 82 rpm

Speed: 0 77.2 30.1 kph

Pace 0:47 0:00 1:59 min/km

Hub Torque: 0 44.1 8.9 lb-in

Crank Torque: 0 136.8 22.1 N-m

 

7th hour:

Duration: 55:29

Work: 569 kJ

TSS: 54.6 (intensity factor 0.768)

Norm Power: 207

VI: 1.21

Distance: 36.993 km

Min Max Avg

Power: 0 734 171 watts

Heart rate: 118 185 168 bpm

Cadence: 24 136 84 rpm

Speed: 17.2 77.2 40.0 kph

Pace 0:47 3:29 1:30 min/km

Hub Torque: 0 27.5 6.0 lb-in

Crank Torque: 0 82.4 19.7 N-m

 

6th hour:

Duration: 53:20

Work: 612 kJ

TSS: 53.4 (intensity factor 0.777)

Norm Power: 210

VI: 1.09

Distance: 21.377 km

Min Max Avg

Power: 0 433 192 watts

Heart rate: 119 182 168 bpm

Cadence: 29 141 75 rpm

Speed: 0 64.1 24.2 kph

Pace 0:56 0:00 2:29 min/km

Hub Torque: 0 33.9 12.8 lb-in

Crank Torque: 0 75.5 25.8 N-m

 

5th hour:

Duration: 58:10

Work: 687 kJ

TSS: 66 (intensity factor 0.825)

Norm Power: 223

VI: 1.13

Distance: 24.261 km

Min Max Avg

Power: 0 600 197 watts

Heart rate: 116 184 169 bpm

Cadence: 21 133 82 rpm

Speed: 3.8 67 25.0 kph

Pace 0:54 15:47 2:24 min/km

Hub Torque: 0 35.6 11.5 lb-in

Crank Torque: 0 100.9 24.4 N-m

 

4th hour:

Duration: 55:36

Work: 600 kJ

TSS: 56.4 (intensity factor 0.781)

Norm Power: 211

VI: 1.17

Distance: 27.026 km

Min Max Avg

Power: 0 921 180 watts

Heart rate: 112 180 163 bpm

Cadence: 21 141 84 rpm

Speed: 5.9 56 29.2 kph

Pace 1:04 10:10 2:03 min/km

Hub Torque: 0 44.1 8.2 lb-in

Crank Torque: 0 136.8 21.6 N-m

 

3rd hour:

Duration: 59:59

Work: 732 kJ

TSS: 71.6 (intensity factor 0.846)

Norm Power: 228

VI: 1.12

Distance: 26.722 km

Min Max Avg

Power: 0 539 203 watts

Heart rate: 100 183 164 bpm

Cadence: 24 136 81 rpm

Speed: 9.4 54.8 26.7 kph

Pace 1:06 6:23 2:15 min/km

Hub Torque: 0 30.8 11.6 lb-in

Crank Torque: 0 116.5 25.9 N-m

 

2nd hour:

Duration: 1:00:01

Work: 558 kJ

TSS: 54.2 (intensity factor 0.736)

Norm Power: 199

VI: 1.28

Distance: 31.895 km

Min Max Avg

Power: 0 458 155 watts

Heart rate: 82 173 145 bpm

Cadence: 20 141 85 rpm

Speed: 15.9 52.4 31.9 kph

Pace 1:09 3:46 1:53 min/km

Hub Torque: 0 26.8 6.7 lb-in

Crank Torque: 0 118.8 18.5 N-m

 

1st Hour:

Duration: 59:21

Work: 582 kJ

TSS: 49.6 (intensity factor 0.709)

Norm Power: 191

VI: 1.17

Distance: 33.383 km

Min Max Avg

Power: 0 503 164 watts

Heart rate: 110 178 151 bpm

Cadence: 20 141 86 rpm

Speed: 5.8 45.6 33.8 kph

Pace 1:19 10:21 1:46 min/km

Hub Torque: 0 31.5 6.0 lb-in

Crank Torque: 0 91.4 18.9 N-m

 

[Thug]

What does TSS & VI stand for and mean ?

[Dr. Seuss]

how is the intensity factor calculated - it would appear that this is what you have to look at to see how hard a ride was (or not).

should be far more accurate than ave. HR.

[bruce]

TSS = Training Stress Score - i.e. how much stress your body went through.

VI = Variability Index - i.e. how variable/constant power output was.

 

Bikemax and I were discussing how TSS accumulates for slower riders and this is a good case in point.  Windbreaker had a higher TSS than Bikemax or myself because he was on the bike for a lot longer.  So Windbreaker would require more recovery than I would.

[Windbreaker]

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Another interesting point is that BikeMax's distance and mine are almost identical.  My time is 5:32 and not 5:35 as per WinningTime, Bikemax was even harder done by - 6:05 whereas WinningTime gives 6:11!!

 

Unless he has his PT stop recording when speed & power not detected - possibly stopped for a puncture / water etc?