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[RocknRolla]

I would like to explan the topic title:

With "Pro's" i mean:

Professional cyclist (on or off-road) that has competed in the top national or international level.

My question expanded:

If you are to receive training from a instructor do you expect him/her to have been (or currently is) a professional rider with certain achievements (top 10 rider in SA etc )

I personally think that being good at a certain sport does not nescessarily make you a good intructor. it's more about the ability to convey the correct infomation to the student than being able to say "been there, done that"

Let the interwebs hear your opinion!!!

[Lucky Luke.]

You need both, experience in the field and people skills. Both essential. Same as with anything else.

[gummibear]

Are driving school instructors race car drivers?

Just because you can do something very good doesn't mean you can teach it to......that said i would love a few lessons from Nino Schurter or Burry.

[RocknRolla]

gummibear, on 17 July 2012 - 04:54 , said:

Are driving school instructors race car drivers?

Just because you can do something very good doesn't mean you can teach it to......that said i would love a few lessons from Nino Schurter or Burry.

some of those instructors are more like professional "crash test dummies" but that's a rant for another thread....

[Pro - beerder]

With coaching or anywhere you offer a service instead of a product it is all about your reputation.For  example I might have all the right credentials and is a really good coach, then there is person x that been a pro for 10 years national champ ect ect and everybody knows his name. who would you rather aproach for coaching me or the pro you saw on tv?

[gummibear]

RocknRolla, on 17 July 2012 - 04:57 , said:

some of those instructors are more like professional "crash test dummies" but that's a rant for another thread....

I know what you mean.....

[urbanroyal]

gummibear, on 17 July 2012 - 04:54 , said:

Are driving school instructors race car drivers?

Just because you can do something very good doesn't mean you can teach it to......that said i would love a few lessons from Nino Schurter or Burry.

If I was being taught race car driving ...then ya I would like to be taught an ex top driver ....if I have the bucks one day I would like to go for a few rally car lessons ....now that would be cool ...lol ...

[Minion]

crackerjack, on 17 July 2012 - 05:00 , said:

who would you rather aproach for coaching me or the pro you saw on tv?

If you could show that you had some good sport science qualifications and background that gives you an understanding of the theory behind coaching etc. I would choose you over an unqualified pro any day.

A good coach will give me a program based on what works for me. There's a good chance that a pro who's had no coaching training, aside from their own experience of being coached themselves, will only be able to give me a program based on what worked for them.

[pastapouch]

Minion, on 17 July 2012 - 05:33 , said:

If you could show that you had some good sport science qualifications and background that gives you an understanding of the theory behind coaching etc. I would choose you over an unqualified pro any day.

A good coach will give me a program based on what works for me. There's a good chance that a pro who's had no coaching training, aside from their own experience of being coached themselves, will only be able to give me a program based on what worked for them.

thats true. the problem is the pro will expect you to ride like him while you're an intermediate cyclist, and you'll overtrain.

[Power2Max]

"Great advice comes from underestimated rider" - Gerard Vroomen founder of Cervelo

He said this in the context that "less talented" riders work harder, know more tricks of the trade and don't have it as easy as the most talented riders...

Food for thought

[Vinnydabutcher]

Coaching is more about making someone believe in their own potential rather than starting every sentience with "Im my day............"

I want to have theoretical backup to opinions but more importantly someone that has the knowlage - if I can find this in someone who has done it and been there before, even better.

[Tumbleweed]

Those you can do; those you can't teach.

[jcmeyerSS]

Tumbleweed, on 18 July 2012 - 11:35 , said:

Those you can do; those you can't teach.

Dammit beat me to it.

[NotSoBigBen]

Someone once told me that 'the majority of the best cyclists do not make the best coaches, the best coaches are generally the best STUDENTS of cycling though'

[Enticement]

Coaching requires much more than writing out training programs! It requires practical application of physiological principals to enable an athlete, with an own value system and mind make-up, to perform at his best potential. Therefore, it requires academical knowledge of the principals but also of the psychological factors regarding performance management, no matter what level of performance. However, academical knowledge, supported by applicable experience works best!

[greenlight]

-those who can't, teach. Those who cant teach